The Kingman UFO Crash Conundrum

“Stansel instructed of a crash of a big,
disc-shaped object close to Kingman, Arizona. He was half of a big staff of specialists introduced in to look at the
wreck and the physique of 1 alien creature.”

Two years earlier than Jesse Marcel, Sr. instructed Stan Friedman and Len Stringfield in regards to the UFO crash within the Roswell area, Ray Fowler printed the article, What about Crashed UFOs? in Official UFO journal. Though he touched on a few tales, the thrust of the article was instructed by “Fritz Weaver,” a pseudonym for a person later recognized as Arthur Stansel. Stansel instructed of a crash of a big, disc-shaped object close to Kingman, Arizona. He was half of a big staff of specialists introduced in to look at the wreck and the physique of 1 alien creature. Though his particular activity was to find out pace and trajectory of the thing,

By Kevin Randle A Completely different Perspective 8-20-24

he did have the chance to glimpse the alien pilot and the inside of the
craft. This was on Might 21, 1953, in line with his calendar and for greater than
twenty years, he stored the key.

In February 1973, Stansel instructed two youngsters who had been curious about UFOs about
his journey in Arizona. It wasn’t lengthy earlier than Ray Fowler, a revered UFO
researcher, realized about this sighting and went to interview Stansel, who not
solely added a number of new particulars, however produced his calendar from 1953 and signed a
assertion testifying to the validity of his story. After all, that assertion was
not witnessed by a notary, solely by Fowler, and had no authorized standing as an
affidavit.

I had investigated the Kingman crash way back and was unimpressed with it for
a number of causes. Initially, there was solely Arthur Stansel because the witness, no
actual documentation for the crash, and a suggestion that Stansel, after he had
been consuming, instructed wild tales. There was a degree when a second witness was
found, however her credibility was not superb and her daughter mentioned that
her mom was a liar. You may examine a few of that right here:

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This newest flap started when Christopher Mellon, who had been a Deputy
Assistant Secretary of Protection for Intelligence launched a redacted e-mail
trade he had with an individual Mellon referred to as a senior U.S. authorities member.
We weren’t supplied with a reputation. That meant, in fact, that we couldn’t
confirm that this supply existed or if he had any inside information in regards to the
Kingman UFO crash. That e-mail, with the crucial data redacted and with
little in the way in which of helpful data is seen right here:

The Mellon e-mail that tells us nothing of worth however does point out the recovered UAP from Kingman.

Over the course of the years, we now have been handled to many accounts of the
case, that started with Fowler’s article crammed with direct quotes from Stansel.
I do have a replica of the entire report that Fowler filed with NICAP about his
moderately complete investigation. That features a transcript of Jeff Younger’s
preliminary interview with Stansel that ignited Fowler’s interview and report.

I’m not going to recapitulate that story as a result of it has been instructed a number of
occasions. I used it in Crash: When UFOs Fall From the Sky, although my
evaluation of the case was crucial of the info. However this newest flap (which,
BTW, I feel will affect on David Grusch’s UFO testimony, however that’s one thing
for one more time), impressed me to revisit Kingman. I discovered data from
Fowler, by which he verified Stansel’s moderately spectacular credentials and
resume. There have been some issues, which centered round his declare that he had
been a marketing consultant for Undertaking Blue E book. He initially instructed a moderately
long-term affiliation, however later instructed Fowler that it was short-lived. Stansel
instructed it lasted just a few days and was based mostly on his examination of the
crashed off-world craft.

There’s one essential interview that appears to have been disregarded of this
entire story. In a piece of Fowler’s report entitled
A Man Who Made Contact, we study some disturbing issues about Arthur
Stansel. Fowler wrote, “On the following following pages I’ll clarify the
fascinating tales of Mr. Arthur Stansel’s flying saucer contacts.”

That a part of the interview, performed by Jeff Younger and witnessed by Paul
Chetham, started with the query, “Did you say that you simply had contacted beings
from different planets?”

His astonishing reply was, “Sure, however now we’re moving into issues the place
you’ll simply should take my phrase for it as a result of I can’t produce it or show
it.”

After a brief dialogue a few group who met repeatedly met to discover the
contacts with different worlds, and who Stansel mentioned, “We had been concerned within the
utilization of seances, we weren’t out to contact relations, however we had been out to
contact different issues,” the questioning continued:

Q: Do you assume that it’s attainable
for an individual to convey himself to anyplace on or of Earth by simply utilizing his
mind energy?

A: Sure. I’m satisfied that’s true. I
know that may occur as a result of I’ve performed it…

Q: Did you steadily or all of a
sudden obtain contact with these extraterrestrials?

A: We did this on many, many events
after a few 12 months assembly as soon as every week. We’d contact beings, however we by no means
actually knew what we had been going to contact that individual Sunday night time. On
many, many events we contacted beings from planets aside from Earth.

Q: Had been these the identical beings or
had been these totally different beings every assembly.

A: Typically they had been the identical, however
usually they had been totally different.

Q: Might you see them or visualize
them?

A: Onetime we had an experiment, which
happened for about three weeks, by which we realized astral projection, in
which you mission your self to the purpose the place the contact is…

Q: That’s utilizing your thoughts to
convey your self?

A: Proper, utilizing your thoughts.

Q: You truly conveyed your self
to some beings?

A: Sure, I did. As a matter I used to be the
just one who was in a position to go to that individual area craft which was many
mild years away.

Q: You had been on the craft?

A: I used to be truly on it.

The questioning then turned to what he might see and the way he interacted with
the beings on that craft, saying that it was some kind of jail ship. The
beings had been on it for a thousand years and had no management over it.

Q: Did you [Stansel] have a
bodily feeling of being on the ship?

A: Sure, very a lot so. It’s similar to I
was sitting right here.

Q: Would you describe the within
of the ship?

A: Nicely, the furnishings was totally different
than ours in the truth that it had no legs. It was as if it had been suspended in
the air, however I keep in mind checking for wires holding them up…

Q: What had been the colours within the
room?

A: It was mainly purple and it appeared
to be generated by all the things within the room. I noticed no mild bulbs, however the room
was dimly illuminated….

Q: Had been they quick beings?

A: They had been varied heights. They
had been quick and tall, however I don’t keep in mind seeing any fats beings.

Q: Had been they uniformed or did they
put on various kinds of garments?

A: They had been uniformed in a manner, however
they had been in several colours.

Q: Do you assume that might have
signified a rank?

A: That might be and one other
attention-grabbing factor is that the gown of the individuals was no totally different between a
man and a lady and there have been men and women.

Q: Had been the males briefly hair
and the females in lengthy hair?

A: No, you couldn’t inform by that. You
might simply inform by a lady’s bodily traits and facial options.

They talk about some emblems that had been hooked up the place we might have put shirt
pockets. Stansel mentioned that one was within the form of a leaf and was purple in opposition to
a kind of blue glistening jerkin. There was one other which was only a spherical
form, in all probability three inches in diameter and it too was glistening.

With that line of questioning completed, the dialogue went in one other
path. Younger questioned if the prisoners had met individuals from different planets:

A: Sure, they’d talked with many, however I used to be the primary one truly projected.
They bought fairly excited over my arrival, for they felt I used to be the savoir who
might get them again to their dwelling planet or make communication with dwelling
base.

Q: Might you’ve gotten projected
your self again to their dwelling world”

A: I attempted however I couldn’t. I feel
they had been past vary.

They moved the dialogue to the character of the ship, that means that it was some
kind of jail. Stansel talked about these alien beings had been complaining about
their incarceration. He then mentioned:

They had been complaining about being prisoners as a result of they’d a lot to supply
their very own civilization, however they’d no solution to get again to their civilization
besides by way of some middleman and so they thought I might be that
middleman. That they had been conducting experiments, however they’d been a few
thousand years on the ship, in order that there had been many generations of those
individuals…

Different issues that got here out of this interview. He was instructed that there have been
hundreds of worlds “of clever occupation.” That line of questioning
ended at that time.

There was extra of this kind of factor however then Stansel talked about that of all
these alien worlds, there have been none that had been curious about Earth. Earth is
too overcrowded. Stansel mentioned that they’d contact many ships however the beings
weren’t curious about Earth.

Then, falling into what would turn out to be the David Jacobs idea or hybrid people,
Stansel mentioned, “In reality, there’s a couple of extraterrestrial planet that
have implanted individuals right here, however usually individuals don’t realize it… they simply
turn out to be a part of our civilization.”

There was extra of this kind of factor that reads like poor science fiction. At
one-point Stansel talked of switches and buttons on the ship however I consider
our contact screens that eradicate buttons and switches.

There have been different disturbing issues within the interview. Stansel, at one level
appeared to recommend that he had been a marketing consultant to Undertaking Blue E book for a
very long time, however there isn’t any document of it. He claimed to have seen a UFO throughout
one of many Atomic Assessments, however later claimed he had solely heard about it from
others.

Stansel did say that when he was interviewed by Younger and Chetham, he had been
consuming. He’d had 4 martinis however when Fowler requested the boys about that,
they mentioned Stansel had not been consuming. So, was Stansel consuming an excessive amount of and
provided it as an excuse for the discrepancies between the interviews performed
by Younger and Fowler. Was the alleged consuming an excuse for telling
conflicting tales? Was the consuming the motivation in making a story of
extraterrestrial contact?

Right here’s the place we’re on this. Stansel is the one man who was concerned with the
crash in Kingman that had forty or extra skilled consultants to talk about
this. He instructed these on the bus weren’t allowed to speak throughout the
four-hour journey from Phoenix to the Kingman space, however once they arrived, they
had been referred to as by title as they had been assigned particular jobs. Every little thing was
rigorously orchestrated however Stansel managed to see the lifeless alien pilot and
caught a glimpse into the ship. Once more, poor safety.

There are a lot of causes that I merely don’t purchase this story and the later
interview with astral projection, visits to alien spaceships in flight and all
that different nonsense argues that Stansel was adept at spinning tales even he
had solely had a beer or two and never a number of martinis.

What this implies at present, is that the leaked e-mail from Christopher Mellon is
irrelevant. There might nicely have been an e-mail trade however it’s, primarily
nugatory. Mellon and his unidentified correspondent might nicely have exchanged
the emails about Kingman however that doesn’t show there may be any substance to the
report.

There’s one other ingredient to this and that’s David Grush’s declare of twelve
craft in authorities fingers. He might nicely have talked with Mellon, or somebody
else who believes the Kingman story, however with out proof, it’s simply, dare I
say it, a conspiracy idea. And that additionally means that a few of Grush’s
claims are false, if this is among the tales. Doesn’t imply that Grusch
invented any of the tales, however he has heard them from individuals he believes are
telling him the reality.

Lastly, Len Stringfield added some commentary to the Kingman case in his 1978
MUFON Symposium paper on crash/retrievals, and later in his standing studies. He
suggests the opportunity of further witnesses, however he failed to provide
names of any of these witnesses. I’m following up on this and can report on
it later.

For these , I’ve reached out to a few different individuals who would possibly
be capable of shed some mild on this, together with some within the Kingman space. To
this level I’ve not heard again, however will replace my evaluation as it’s
warranted by further data.