SCOTT DETROW, HOST:
Right here with one other version of spacing out with our buddies from Quick Wave, Regina Barber and Berly McCoy. Hey there.
REGINA BARBER, BYLINE: Hey.
BERLY MCCOY, BYLINE: Hey, Scott.
DETROW: So what are we speaking about as we speak inside house?
BARBER: Yeah, Scott, we’re speaking about little reworking robots on the moon.
DETROW: OK.
MCCOY: Additionally, some drama within the astronomy world about how our universe is increasing.
DETROW: OK.
BARBER: And lastly, now we have to, after all, speak in regards to the Artemis II and III crews and the way they educated for future missions to land on the moon.
DETROW: Effectively, earlier than we discuss that, I assume I have to know whether or not there are transformers on the moon as a result of I do really feel like I’ve seen that film.
BARBER: Yeah. I am sorry, Scott. We’re not speaking about Optimus Prime touchdown on the moon. These are small, like, cute little spherical robots in regards to the measurement of a baseball. They usually roll out of a lunar lander, and after cracking open, like, down the center, every half of the sphere strikes outward, and it reveals slightly digicam within the middle. And the halves form of act like spinning wheels, and so they form of waddle and roll over arduous terrain. And these little rovers, they’re autonomous, too. They principally navigate on their very own.
DETROW: This appears so cool. I imply, like, I really like the picture.
BARBER: Yeah.
DETROW: The autonomy is attention-grabbing. I do need to ask why have been they there?
MCCOY: Effectively, principally for testing. They have been a part of the primary profitable Japanese lunar touchdown a pair years in the past. And there is a new examine out final week within the journal Science Robotics that analyzed how these little guys carried out up on the lunar floor.
DETROW: Apart from form of waddling round and seeming like “WALL-E” characters…
BARBER: Yeah.
DETROW: …What was their scientific job?
BARBER: So that they took a variety of footage…
DETROW: OK
BARBER: …Of the moon’s floor and of the lander. They’re principally scouting out the terrain forward of larger rovers and going locations they can not.
MCCOY: And, Scott, simply to underline this, they’re actually small. They solely weigh about half a pound, and that is big for house journey, proper? The lighter one thing is, the better and cheaper it’s to place up into house.
BARBER: And I talked to Roger Wiens, a planetary scientist who did not work on this program, and he was totally impressed. He mentioned that the redundancy was an enormous profit to those gadgets.
ROGER WIENS: There aren’t costly gadgets. You’ll be able to have a number of of them. And if one or two fails, then you definitely nonetheless have others.
DETROW: One different factor, although, I am fascinated with the truth that the moon has one-sixth of the Earth’s gravity.
BARBER: Yup.
DETROW: So does that have an effect on how they transfer round?
MCCOY: Completely. Yeah, these little guys really form of bounce, although.
DETROW: Oh.
MCCOY: So it is another excuse why they’re tremendous cool. They’re designed for low gravity to allow them to discover different locations like Mars and even asteroids. This is Roger once more.
WIENS: These might go to small asteroids, the place hopping is extraordinarily simple. Actually, you bought to be sure you do not hop out of orbit or one thing like that. So yeah, I can see this stuff going to numerous locations. We’ll have transformers on numerous planets and asteroids, ultimately.
DETROW: OK, it is a actually enjoyable begin. We have to shift to one thing way more existential, although, for all of us…
MCCOY: Yeah, true.
DETROW: …And that’s our ever-expanding universe. Initially, remind us what this debate has targeted on over latest many years.
MCCOY: OK, so, Scott, nearly 30 years in the past, astronomers found that our universe shouldn’t be solely increasing, however that enlargement is rushing up. However in the previous few years, a gaggle of scientists shook up that understanding by claiming that the enlargement is not rushing up, however slowing down. Now, a paper out final week within the journal Month-to-month Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society pushes again and says the previous framework nonetheless stands, persevering with the controversy.
DETROW: So we’re again to increasing.
BARBER: Increasing and accelerating.
DETROW: OK. OK. So on condition that we’re again to that viewpoint, what do the expansion-of-the-universe-is-slowing-down of us say to that?
BARBER: The group of scientists at Yonsei College in South Korea stands by their work. They already posted a rebuttal to this paper, and so they say that the usual method astrophysicists measure universe enlargement now could be essentially flawed.
DETROW: So for the nonastrophysicists on the market…
BARBER: Yeah.
DETROW: …Remind us the way you measure this.
BARBER: I’ll let Berly do that.
DETROW: OK.
MCCOY: Yeah, so astronomers principally measure the brightness of a particular kind of exploding star, a supernova, after which appropriate for issues like how lengthy it explodes or how a lot mud is in the best way.
BARBER: And the South Korean staff has mentioned, astronomers, we have not been together with the age of the celebs’ house galaxy in these corrections, so the maths is off. And whenever you embody that, the ultimate reply is that the enlargement of the universe is slowing down. Which might be an enormous discovery if that have been true.
DETROW: That is fairly the large if true.
BARBER: Precisely.
DETROW: So OK. So given all of that, although, what’s the consensus amongst different astronomers?
MCCOY: So the consultants we spoke to have been skeptical of the slowdown speculation. They are saying the group has been fine-tuning the supernova technique for nearly 30 years, and there are different strategies that time to the universe’s enlargement rushing up.
BARBER: Yeah, we talked to Priyamvada Natarajan, an astrophysicist from Yale College who wasn’t concerned on this work, and she or he’s nonetheless skeptical, however she says these debates are what strengthens science.
PRIYAMVADA NATARAJAN: Scientists by nature are skeptical, and even for an concept that has been validated and accepted – proper? – if there’s a new argument, we do take it critically, and we interrogate it.
DETROW: And it is a low-stakes debate, proper? ‘Trigger it is solely identical to the destiny of the universe that is at stake.
MCCOY: Yeah. As a substitute of every part ultimately drifting far aside from one another and dying a chilly loss of life billions of years from now, the universe might merely implode, what astronomers name the large crunch. Sadly, none of us are going to be round to see that.
BARBER: I am staff chilly loss of life.
DETROW: Do not know which one I favor.
MCCOY: Arduous to decide on, huh?
DETROW: Yeah. Nonissue for me, I assume. One thing that’s occurring in our time spans, although…
BARBER: Yeah.
DETROW: Our favourite NASA program, Artemis – we have to speak about it.
BARBER: Completely. The crew for the subsequent mission, Artemis III, was simply chosen, and that is the mission that can do plenty of maneuvers in house in low Earth orbit. Scott, you spoke with one of many newly chosen astronauts, proper?
DETROW: I did. The day he was chosen, I talked with Andre Douglas, and one of many issues he talked about was occurring coaching missions. He was on the backup crew for Artemis II.
BARBER: Yeah.
DETROW: And he educated alongside them.
BARBER: Yeah.
DETROW: And one of many issues they did was go to Iceland.
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ANDRE DOUGLAS: We did a, like, 24-mile hike in two days in Iceland simply to undergo a tough problem of land navigation as if we’re, you recognize, studying the right way to be actually good operators.
DETROW: They usually do that, you recognize, as you recognize, as a result of this mission is meant to assist put together them for a future lunar exploration. So that they’re searching for locations on Earth which might be form of analogs of the moon, of lunar situations.
BARBER: Yeah. And it is also about geology. Like, the rocky terrain and the precise rock compositions are very related between the moon and Iceland. Apollo astronauts really educated in Iceland, too, method again when, and mentioned it was the closest factor they’d seen to the moon’s floor. Two NASA astronauts are going again there this July to coach in Iceland.
DETROW: And this is not only for lunar missions, proper? They’re really – NASA – it is farther away, however they’re attempting to simulate Mars as nicely proper now?
BARBER: Yeah.
MCCOY: Yeah. So that they’ve had astronaut hopefuls trek across the lava beds in Hawaii Volcanoes Nationwide Park with massive packs on their backs, doing geological fieldwork and coping with very restricted and really delayed communications from a simulated mission management. It is all a method to verify our astronauts are tremendous nicely ready when sometime they’re out in house doing the true factor.
BARBER: And Scott, there’s a simulated Mars mission occurring proper now at NASA’s Johnson House Heart in Houston. NASA has 4 researchers on this 3D-printed habitat doing experiments as in the event that they’re residing on Mars. They went in final October, and so they’ll keep inside for slightly over a yr. And perhaps, you recognize, we’ll come again and discuss that once they emerge.
DETROW: Sounds nice. That’s Regina Barber and Berly McCoy of NPR science podcast Quick Wave. Thanks for coming into our simulated Earth setting of this NPR radio studio.
BARBER: Thanks.
MCCOY: Anytime.
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